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Boks poor and ref useless!

September 15, 2013 in Uncategorized

How is this even possible in today’s game that refs as professionals can still be so useless. Why are players and coaches fined when they publically question absurb refereing; to protect refs and officials of abuse at junior level? (I accept); however, we are taking about elite athletes earning big bucks that could be influenced by rubbish decisionmaking by officials!

Even now that the IRB has admitted one of their employees were so wrong, no action against him is currently considered! Ridiculous!

The International Rugby Board has confirmed that French referee Romain Poite was wrong in his decision to give Bismarck du Plessis his first yellow card during the Boks’ clash against the All Blacks in Saturday’s Castle Lager Rugby Championship match in Auckland.

This useless sin binning of the outstanding Bismarck du Plessis did end the contest and any chance of the Boks beating the World Champions. The Boks played for +48 minutes with 14 men. Even more laughable is Steve Hansen’s comment that the All Blacks also ‘lost’ two players in the last ten minutes! Really, Stevie-boy! By then the game was already in the bag and they didn’t play with 13 men the whole 10 minutes as Ma’a Nonu was only binned in the last few minutes! Hopefully Nonu will be cited for his shoulder charge on Bok captain Jean de Villiers!

Poite’s decision was in the same useless class than Bryce Lawrence against the Boks in the WC 2011 semi vs the Wallabies and Clive Norling in the infamous 10 minutes of extra injury time (making two blunders; was not foot up by Robert Cockrell and Dave Loveridge passed the ball of the quick tap, which meant in those days players could tackle opponent even if they were not 10 meters away) against the Boks vs the All Blacks in 1981, ironically also at Eden Park!

Bismarck’s second yellow has some merit. You can palm off with an open hand or shoulder. He connected with the elbow. In his defense, it could be argued that it happend too quickly for him to extend his arm and that Liam Messam went in high for the tackle. If he had better techinique he would have not been hit in the throat! That incident was marginal and rugby is a contact sport, so a yellow was questionable.

Would the All Blacks still have one? Who knows? The Boks did start to take control the last 10 minutes just before the break!

The Springboks put up a decent 14-man display,however, were also poor in various aspects. Their tactical kicking was poor and their kick chasing and contesting for the box kicks etc below standard. Ruan Pienaar is too slow and should be replaced. Jannie du Plessis and Zane Kirchener must spend more time practising on the tackling bags and the rest of the Boks commitment in defense left a lot to be disappointed in.

The Boks were also caught off guard with clever line-out play for the All Blacks first try. That came after a hopeless kick from Bryan Habana. How many blunders has he made in test rugby that lead to tries for others? The All Blacks still broke the Boks’ defensive lines too easily and played at a superrior pace.

The Boks did have the upper hand at scrum and lineout time, however, Kirchner, Pienaar and JJ Engelbrecht must go. Give Patrick  Lambie, Juan de Jongh and Jano Vermaak/Piet van Zyl a go! Bring back Andries Bekker pronto! Morne Steyn is also not the long term solution. It pitty Johan Goosen is injury prone!

The Boks lost on the scoreboard, however, won the battle and hurt the kiwis physically!  A pitty a great test matched was runied by Monsieur Poite!


25 responses to Boks poor and ref useless!

  1. No super team in NZ wants Nonu. – he’s a poephol
    Ref is a bigger poephol
    Kane did a good job replacing Richie
    Barrett showed we don’t need Carter no more
    Other than that, I would have loved to see these two teams go head to head without dumb a$$ ref calls.

  2. You may be in luck on Ellis Park with no Mccaw, Carter and Cruden and you may be get some calls go your way. Still think it is ridiculous to be angry at the ABs and especially the AB Supporters for what the ref did. Be glad you are still in the race. Think of the poor Cowboys who for the second year in a row was cheated out of the tournament because of the ref. Stop living in the past. The Kiwis had their share of bad refs and decisions in the Past as well.

  3. Ons kan moan, en mense kan petisies teken tot hulle pienk word: Niks gaan die uitslag verander nie.
    Bokke se taktiese skoppe was nie goed genoeg nie. All Blacks se skoppe was beter (en dan sal jy bly mense kry wat nie kan glo die All Blacks skop actually ook die bal nie..) en ons meer onder druk geplaas daarmee wat gelei het tot hanteerfoute. Maar om vir meer as helfte van die wedstryd met ‘n man kort te speel sal enige span se performance beinvloed in die end result.

    Jean de Villiers en Heineke se reaksie en comments na die tyd was baie classy. So ook Dan Carter se tweet oor die “legality” van Beesmarck se tekkel. (Maar daar sal nog steeds All Black ondersteuners vir jou wil sê dit was vylgat.. Bly om te sien daar is darem ook onnosel supporters onder hulle)
    Ons kan almal iets by hulle leer. (By Jean, Heineke en DC natuurlik. Nie die dom supporters nie!)

    Ek vra, want ek weet regtig nie: Hoekom moet Bismarck voor dissiplinêre verhoor verskyn (via video conference)? Is dit outomaties omdat hy rooi kaart gekry het? Of is dit oor iets anners?

  4. Proovince die meeste gebore kiwis stem saam dat die ref verkeerd was en dat hul nie so wil wen nie!

  5. so what was the kiwis excuse again….made up…food posionning. at least the world and rugby people realised the Boks were robbed (although poor in many aspects) by refs on various occassions!

  6. Its a pitty the ref were poor, but I am glad Jean did not blame the ref afterwards, That was very Proffesional of him. Yes the All Blacks had an advangtage Playing against 14 man. I still think we should have tried to hang on to the ball more. I no there is a huge difference between Test and Provincial rugby but look at the tactics of WP after Micheal Rhodes were shown a straight red. Province still held on to the ball for as long as they could sometimes going through 18+ Phases just so that Coleman and Gary can have a shot at goal, And if they kicked they made sure its out and long. Just a brilliant kicking display shown by Aplon and Coleman.I still think the Boks should have played that tactic, hold on to the ball as long as you could, force a penalty, fustrate the blacks, keep it tight and simple and Let Morne Kick for goal. The ref was Poor on the day and he robbed us from a Brilliant game of rugby.. HM its time to let go Ruan, Jannie, Zane, JJ. Give Juan and Gio a chance, Start Lambie, where is Sarel or Reinach. Let Gio be the impact player from the bench the last 20 or 30 minutes give him license to attack if we chasing the game. And my last request would be if we can groom Jan Serfontein at his current age why cant we start with Cheslin Kolbe.. Let him be part of the Bok set up, I am not saying He must play but Let him get a feel for test rugby against the lower rank test teams.

  7. SA Referees calling the second card a red-card offense. Compared it to SA vs France at Stade where Smit was cited and suspended for 6 weeks for something similar, therefore implying it meets red card criteria on its own.

  8. Wayne ek stem oor groom nog n paar maar Lambie was gegroom en dan volhard hul nogsteeds met Morne en Zane!?

  9. Daar is niks wat ons nou aan Poite se besluit kan doen nie, miskien moet die spanne wat so iets oorkom in die toekoms n eis teen die IRB instel vir kompensasie, aangesien hulle jou kan beboet indien jy n skeidsregter bykom. Wat die wedstryd betref verstaan ek nie hoekom ons nie opgaan om bewegings te smoor nie,ons wag vir hulle om op te kom, dan speel ons met n losskakakel wat nie dinamies is nie en in meeste gevalle het hy en die skrumskakel dan die balle weg geskop wat die oposisie die bal gegee om aan te val en of terug te skop, onthou die ou engelse spreekwoord,”One in the hand is worth ten in the bush”.

  10. Ai Kev ook weer waar, wat moet arme Lambie en De Jongh nou nog doen.Seker maar n paar pakke Kreatien netso rou eet of hoe,,Daai manne het die ability om baie Toetse te wen vir ons land. Kyk verby hulle size asb.Morne Steyn, Zane en Ruan is klaar. Ek voel jammer vir Jannie wat elke game moet speel. daai man het n break nodig man..

  11. Nonu has been carded for the same offense on numerous occasions but received no further citing. Butch in his heyday was ripped to shreds by media and citing commissioners alike

  12. Absolute stront dat daar nou mense is wat die AB’s en hul ondersteuners slegsê vir die ref se foute.Selfs op die paviljoen in die hitte vd stryd het die AB ondersteuners gesê die 1ste kaart was verkeerd.Vandag by die werk het hul almal gesê die ref was pateties.Wat moes die AB’s doen….Bismarck terugroep en sê kom terug die ref was verkeerd,yeah right!Selfs Messam het gesê hy sal maar volgende keer laer gaan vir Bissie,lol!

    Natuurlik is ons de moer in maar ek glo steeds die AB’s sou in elkgeval gewen het.Jy wen nie NZ in NZ nie,nie sommer nie.Ons het weer n kans in SA en wie weet dalk kan ons daar wen.Barret het uitstekend gespeel en die kiwis se diepte op 10 is ongelooflik.

    Al het ons verloor het ek steeds baie lekker rugby gekyk en n paar heerlike doppies na die tyd saam met Bok en Kiwi ondersteuners gedrink.

  13. Willis granted an application made by Gerrie Swart who appeared on behalf of Du Plessis, for an expedited hearing. The hearing was originally fixed for the Tuesday. At the hearing, Willis was assisted by former professional player David Croft from Australia.

    Submissions were made on behalf of the player and the video footage was reviewed. Willis found that the decision made by referee Romain Poite to issue a yellow card as a result of the tackle by Du Plessis on Dan Carter was wrong, as it was within the laws of the game.

    Carter to his credit said he had no problem with the tackle.

    No further sanction was imposed on Du Plessis, however the second yellow card remains on his record for the remainder of the Rugby Championship.

  14. Well said Powa

  15. the boks were r not poor. Abs got away with a lot of infringements at the break down and they are dirty players , there were side entries, cleanouts without arms and many more. We need leaders at 10 and 9 , franz steyn is injured , call up butch james and hopefully fdp plays . messem and nonu should be singled out especially for their guillotine chokes on both vermulen and alberts but thumbs up for both the boks defending the chokes especially alberts, his guillotine defense definitely would make the gracies take notice , would be nice to see him in the efc

  16. Ahmed the Boks simple & predictable game plan was poorly executed! So was their first time tackles! 18 miss tackles and just kicking balls away without contesting effectively = poor!

  17. hence 10 and 9 need to be replaced. we need creativity at 10. Look at the abs replacement flyhalf as soon as he got on to the pitch he makes a break. Our scrumhalf, again not comfortable with regards to quick ball. What I want to touch on is exactly what happen in Mendoza, the boks were hustled almost out of the game but fortunate for them they recovered. Against the abs they came up short. Don’t get me wrong they did miss a lot of tackles and kicked aimlessly but lets look at the nfrigment by the abs at it was 1 to sa and 11 to the abs and they got away with it. We can look at the breakdowns , major improvement defense last week was good this week one man short panic in the ranks could have been worse. But the issue still remains were are the quality players at 10 and 9 morne and ruan served their country well and we are proud of them but we are way behind the aussies and abs in these positions

  18. ahmed, I think most Bok fans agree with you on 9&10. My pick would be the exciting Johan Goosen but he is injury prone. Lambie & Timo Swiel would be my other options.

  19. everyone is focused on the cards. did anyone notice that ma.a nonu and liam messam put players into headlocks after the tackle on dan carter? adriaan straus was cited for that once.

    what about the incident in the five metre area where ma’a nonu cynically did not release the tackled player and played the ball on the ground?

    and there were plenty of times in the red zone where the ABs were cynically giving away penalties rather than allow a try to be scored.

    these incidents were not policed and the boks were over policed. the referee was so bad i do not believe it was human error. i want him investigated for match fixing.

  20. not so uneducated at all :-)

  21. Onelukkig sal ons nooit weet wat die uislag sou gewees het as alby spanne voltallig was nie.Die twee drie wat die Bokke gedruk het was deur Bismarck toe alby spanne voltallig was en die tweede drie deur Lambie toe die Bokke 14 teen die All Blaks se 13 was, so ldit wil voorkom of die die getal spelers teen mekaar beslis n vloed op die uislag het.

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  23. Yes the saga continues. Bad refereeing, IRB rules, insufficient use and powers of the TV ref, etc. The first “Legal” tackle by Bismark was yellow carded. Ref did not even look at the replay because he had already made up his mind. STOP HERE. SA should have been awarded a penalty at this point and not NZ. WHY. Because of the retaliation by the NZ players after this tackle. SA could have kicked the penalty (between NZ 22 & 10m ) or kicked for the corner and tried for a 7 pointer. Do I have a point? This years 4 Nations was decided by a bad decision admitted by the IRB. Any other views?

  24. Ek het hierdie naweek Currie beker wedstryde gekyk. Min mense sal seker die naam Hermanus Boshof ken, hy speel op die oomblik heelagter vir die Lions, is eintlik n losskakakel. Hierdie die ou het als wat n losskakel moet he, skoppe uit die hand sowel as stelskoppe uit die boonste rakke. Hy kan ook n lyn breek wanneer dit moet en dan is sy opsomming van situasies en reaksies perfek. Ongelukkig het hy tot nou toe nie kans grhad om sy talent uit te stal nie, het junior rygby vir die Bulle gespeel en daarna vir die Griekwas en nou vir die Lions. Hy oortref Steyn by verre.

  25. Naam moet lees Marnitz nie Hermanus nie.

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