Goosen in a league of his own?

November 21, 2012 in Uncategorized

A lot has been said about the improvement in flyhalf depth in South Africa in the last couple of years. Not long ago we had Morne Steyn and Ruan Pienaar (a scrumhalf forced into no 10) as our only viable options. (ok maybe Butch was also there at some level)

Pienaar never really cut it at the highest level and he personally never wanted to play at 10 anyways. Morne in partnership with FdP was a good combination and won many a game for the Boks and Bulls.

But now we have some real depth with Lambie, Goosen, Jantjies, Steyn all tested at the highest level and then you still have exciting youngsters like Pollard and Swiel ect.

But one thing that this past season has proven is that at this moment young Goosen just looks to be in a class of his own, one or two tiers above the rest.

MU did the stats and it is alarming that the FH’s are getting less than 50% of the ball the SC is┬áhandling!! No wonder we are struggling.

But again Goosen in his one full game had the highest percentage of all the Bok FH this season. Not nearly as high as Nz or Aus but still better than the other SA FH’s. Is it just a┬ácoincidence? Did HM change the GP for that one game?

Now to be fair of the 4 FH Elton has been getting the short end of the stick. It is clear that HM does not rate him as high as the rest and his lack of distance with the boot might play a role in that.

I really do think HM should have a nice long chat with old Naka and ask him to wrap the youngster in cotton for the next season or so. Kinda like Nz did with Carter. He is injury prone, mostly I think because he is pushed at the highest level from such a young age. He should have been playing Cheetahs o/19 this season if he was an average player.

Although the rest of the FH’s all have potential and the skills. At the moment only young Goosen has shown the ability to become a world class FH.

Cheers

18 responses to Goosen in a league of his own?

  1. Yes i fully agree, not even Lambie got that x factor. Goosen got the all round game, he can run, distribute, kick like a mule and defend. I somehow think that Pollard will be his next of kin. We just have to manage them well as you said

  2. Springboks vs England – 24 November
    1 Gurthro Steenkamp Toulouse
    2 Adriaan Strauss Cheetahs
    3 Jannie du Plessis Sharks
    4 Eben Etzebeth Western Province
    5 Juandre Kruger Blue Bulls
    6 Francois Louw Bath
    7 Willem Alberts Sharks
    8 Duane Vermeulen Western Province
    9 Ruan Pienaar Ulster
    10 Pat Lambie Sharks
    11 Francois Hougaard Blue Bulls
    12 Jean de Villiers Western Province
    13 Juan de Jongh Western Province
    14 JP Pietersen Sharks
    15 Zane Kirchner Blue Bulls

    Replacements
    16 Schalk Brits Saracens
    17 Heinke van de Merwe Leinster
    18 Pat Cilliers Lions
    19 Flip van der Merwe Blue Bulls
    20 Marcell Coetzee Sharks
    21 Elton Jantjies Lions
    22 Jaco Taute Lions
    23 Lwazi Mvovo Sharks

  3. Too early to tell.

    He got much better ball in the Loftus test than either Jantjies or Lambie got and the Boks played to a different mindset. Give him a couple of tough tests where he has to survive on scraps.

    A lot is being made about his abilities but he hasn’t done anything yet, not even at the Cheetahs – 3 wins from 9 in SR with him and 2 wins from 7 without him – so he hasn’t really shown himself as a match winner at senior level

    • Think all the time in the gym will harden him up a bit and his backline management will also get better

      When I was 19, I was at Varsity and drunk most of the time barely making classes, give him chance to grow.

    • Baylion, you seem to forget that the cheetahs lost the game against the landers when he came off injured when we were far ahead. He showed maturity beyond his years when he kicked the ball out against the Crusaders in Christchurch to earn the Cheetahs a bonus point against all odds. Then the game lost against the Brumbies was not his fault. We also saw how without him our backline struggled in the latter part of the season expecially against the Force which the Cheetahs shouldve smacked.

      But you are right it is probably too early to tell but the signs are there.

      What makes him far more dangerous than lambie and elton is his boot, he can kick 60m goals and sometimes 65m, that is the reason why the highlanders decided to run the ball when he went off because if they made mistakes they would not pay for it.

    • Agree it is a bit early but in his first season Goosen before he got injured was the top FH in SR according to the stats.
      Running meters, kicking meters, points, goals ect.
      And all that in a Cheetahs team that will never be better than halfway up the log and cannot guarantee him good ball.
      If he can stay injury free he will be top notch.

  4. Well you know there aren’t going to be any arguements from my side about this, I am just still worried about the Naka factor in all of this!

  5. Then they better find him a topnotch 9 to complement his skills, so they can play as a combo for super 15. Hopefully the Cheetah 9 or even Pretorious can get something going. I don’t see Pienaar as first choice 9 for much longer

    • The problem is Sarel failed miserably at the Waratahs where they don’t play the open Cheetahs style rugby so I don’t see him as a Bok scrummie.

      Would like to see Piet van Zyl under different conditions but I like Nic Groom, who provided his number 10 with quality ball even though WP often only has 30% possession

    • I don’t share the view that Goosen is injury prone. Soft tissue injuries can be prevented by proper conditioning. No matter how toiugh you are, or how hardened you are, if some guy tackles you whilst your arm is fully extended it will pop the shoulder. Diito the knee injury. To say he is injury prone as a result of these two unfortunate injuries is mischievous!

      @ Baylion,
      You claim that Goosen didn’t do much to deserve the hype, I differ. How about topping the scorers log after 8 rounds in your debut season by some margin I may add.

      Prior to his injury, the Cheetahs were playing an attacking brand of rugby, and two of the losses were due to debateable officiating. After his injuries the Cheetahs were never the same, such was the impact he made.

      He is the real deal, and all the nay sayers and “kom ons wag en kyk” clique are just being their usual cynical selfs.

      He made Jantjies look ordinary in their head to head match, and didn’t look phased at all playing against Carter, Cruden, Barret, and all the other top flyhalves.

  6. It’s just the youngster thing about their bodies/joints not yet fully adapted and more flexible to enable them to take knocks at this higher level of the game. They need to be eased into it over a longer “growth” period. We need improve our rotation system to help with this.

  7. Another flyhalf I will be watching with keen interest is Hansie Graaff, the Griffons 10. He has piqued Paul Treu’s interest, and was the First Division Currie Cup’s Player of the year. He was 3/4 on the top points scorers, and only moved to flyhalf mid season. I see Naka has included him in the wider training group.

  8. But Meyer wants his pivot to show more on attack on Saturday.

    “In my individual chat with Pat I told him he should play his natural game,” Meyer told the Beeld website.”Pat has always been a guy who plays relatively flat on the gain line.”I think he positioned himself a bit too deep in our previous two games – probably due to the conditions and with the plan to kick the ball into the corners behind the opponents.”My message to him was that he should make a difference on attack, because it’s a natural gift he possesses. He has to get the backline going,” said HM.

    THIS ASS IS NOW PREACHING TO THE CONVERTED. HE HAS FALLEN OFF HIS HORSE AND IS RUNNING FOR COVER -NOW SAYS “HE TOLD….”. HE IS PLAYING MUSICAL CHAIRS WITH THE MINDS OF THE PLAYERS – CONFUSION WILL RULE ON SATURDAY. WHAT HAS HE TOLD PUPPET JDV – “YOU STILL PLAY STAMPKAR” – DOES HE STILL INTEND THE BALL MOSTLY BE PLAYED ONLY WITHIN THE FORWARDS AND THEN PAT GETS THE BALL ONLY WHEN THEY GET NOWHERE – THIS GUY WANTS TO BE PLAYING THE GAME BY REMOTE CONTROL. HENCE THE TIGHT GRIP ON THAT 2 WAY RADIO. BOKS HAVE NO FLUIDITY, NO COHESION, ACT IN FITS AND JERKS – THEIR ACTIONS ARE ALL PERFORMED UNDER ORDERS. HM IS A CONTROL FREAK.

    HOW MUST PAT FEEL WHEN HE READS ALL THIS – THE WHOLE TEAM HAS BEEN PSYCHOLICALLY DAMAGED BY NOW. HOW DOES KIRSCHNER FEEL ABOUT BEING LABELLED A “RASTA” AND “NICKNAKS”. TODAY THE INTERNET, FACEBOOK, TWITTER ALLOWS EVERYONE A COMMENT – PLAYERS READ ALL THIS VITRIOL – YESTERYEAR PLAYERS ONLY CRITIQUE OF RADIO COMENTATOR AND READ THE SPORTS PAGE. TODAY IT IS A MENTAL ONSLAUGHT ……..

  9. I see what you what mean, Goosen is such a natural, If I was Meyer I would have waitied till next year before blooding him, he was not a 100% fit in the tests he played but did well none the less. I thought after Steyns woes they should have given Lambie the jersey for an extented run, like he is doing now only, as Lambie has won a Currie Cup for the Sharks before and has been in and around the sqaud for a while, Jantjies is then next in line. No doubt Goosen, if fit, will be our long term flyhalf….

  10. We have Frans Steyn, and Taute if we need to kick the big pens and they should specialise in it. I would rather have our fly half concentrate on over 85% accuracy on kicks 50m or shorter. Im a firm believe of specialists in Test rugby and getting your flyhalf to slightly change his kicking style whenever there is a long range chance is not good.

    • @Wozza,
      I don’t quite get your point, but Goosen doesn’t change his kicking style for long kicks. He has been putting over 0m monsters since high school.

      Besides, it’s Goosen’s attacking rugby that is what makes him special, he just has the knack of getting a backline running with fluidity, and into space.

      His kicking is a big bonus.

  11. Agreed. His kicking is a massive bonus, but what made him stand out in his school years (including the baby boks) was his fluent delivery of the ball and the fact that he finds those gaps in the backline… either himself or putting someone through. Still believe Lambie is a fantastic inside center (the best games I’ve seen of him last season was when he covered that position… heck, I’ll never forget how he destroyed the Cheetahs on his own when he simply found the gaps where there shouldn’t be.) Goosen and Lambie as the FH and IC would be incredible and unstoppable! Add Rhule at outside center with Habana and JP on the wings… scary stuff!

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